Light Rail advocates in the City of Surrey have continually disregarded light rail issues. Listed below, many legitimate problems in the current LRT proposal have been completely ignored, even after we made numerous presentations highlighting these issues to Surrey's staff and City Council.

We have identified 15 major shortfalls with the proposed Surrey LRT.
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Slower speeds

LRT running on the street is limited to the same speed as surrounding vehicle traffic.

Light Rail trains won’t be anywhere near as fast as SkyTrains.
  • Limited to 50 or 60km/h on most city roadways
  • Slower than SkyTrain, which has running speeds of 80-90 km/h in a fully segregated guideway.
  • No speed improvements against rapid buses in their own lanes
  • Could deter ridership as existing SkyTrain riders have been shown to prefer higher trip speed.

Few travel time savings

Travel time chartYou won’t save enough time for it to actually matter.

With lower running speeds and added transfers, an LRT will save you so little time that it will barely make a difference.
  • LRT would offer only 1 minute savings vs. the current 96 B-Line rapid bus
  • Some corridors (such as 104 Ave) will see travel time increase against current express buses
  • Riders will need to make more transfers
    (i.e. from SkyTrain to LRT, and from LRT in Newton to connecting buses to White Rock)

* Detailed travel time estimates were provided on page 45 of the Surrey Rapid Transit Study – accessible [HERE].

High operating costs

Financial details for Surrey Rapid Transit, reported in the TransLink/MOTI joint studyThe LRT network will cost 40% as much to operate as the entire South of Fraser transit network today.

An LRT in Surrey will have higher operating costs than extending SkyTrain due to the extensive requirement of LRT drivers, as well as the need for all-new facilities, staff and training.
  • Fare revenues will fall far short of recovering long-term costs to operate the system.
  • New funding sources will need to be found to pay for this operating deficit
  • Estimated opening-day deficits of $22 million annually – over 3x as high as SkyTrain
  • With no plan to pay for these costs, operating LRT could require service reductions on existing bus routes.

Lower frequencies • longer waits

Light Rail riders will wait longer before a train arrives.

  • On-street LRTs are driver-operated, and can’t operate as frequently as our driverless SkyTrain.
  • Drivers come with a labour cost, meaning lower frequencies during less busy hours.
  • Due to higher operating costs, off-peak frequencies could be lower than the current 96 B-Line.
A driverless system will be able to run frequently even very late at night, early in the morning, whenever you want to travel.  Light rail, bound by labor costs, will always be pressured to cut frequency outside the peak period…

From Human Transit: “Frequency and Freedom on Driverless Rapid Transit”
* Human Transit is the professional blog of consulting transit planner Jarrett Walker.

Increase in greenhouse-gas emissions

LRT will not recoup its construction and operations emissions.

In fact, a net greenhouse-gas (GHG) increase of 38,000 tonnes was projected in the Surrey Rapid Transit Study.
In addition to this net increase…
  • Congestion increases on 104th Ave and other corridors will increase GHG emissions
  • Accidents caused by the LRT will increase in GHG emissions in various ways
  • Lower ridership will offset GHG reduction as potential riders not finding usefulness in the LRT system continue to choose their cars.
    66% of Surrey’s GHG emissions come from transportation emissions.
A SkyTrain + BRT alternative will recoup emissions if the BRT uses hybrid-electric, CNG, or trolley electrified buses.*

*Note: As of 2016, the 96 B-Line is now served entirely by a fleet of hybrid diesel-electric buses. This meets the criteria for a net GHG reduction.

Construction impacts • Street closures

LRT construction warningLRT construction and street-scaping works will require the street to be closed from edge-to-edge.

While Bus Rapid Transit systems could be constructed more gradually and SkyTrain extensions take up less space, Surrey’s construction of an LRT system will…
  • Require significant reconstruction of the layout of the street,
  • Require underground digging to remove sewers and utilities,
  • Double or triple transit times during the construction period,
  • Create few travel time savings after construction is complete.

Pictured: what LRT construction looks like in Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario.

Traffic Mayhem on 104 Avenue

104 Ave major issues XLRT will cut two lanes from 104th Ave and cause traffic mayhem in the community.

The City says there’s no space to retain 4 traffic lanes on 104th Avenue, a busy and congested arterial connecting City Centre to the Trans-Canada Highway.
  • Reduction in travel lanes despite no transit time improvements.
  • Drivers will divert away from a congested avenue, increasing traffic on parallel/local streets
  • Traffic congestion throughout the community
  • Change in road layout/capacity may negatively affect goods movement into City Centre.
And that’s not all. This will create a whole slew of additional issues:

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  • New truck corridors to city centre will need to be instated on quiet, neighbourhood streets.
    (This could include: All of 100 Ave; 156 St; 154 St from 100th to 108 Aves; and 108 Ave (currently a restricted corridor)
  • Parallel roads like 100, 105 and 108 Avenues will require reconstruction and widening at significant cost.
  • The additional cost of area road modifications hasn’t been accounted for in LRT cost estimates.
  • Parallel, local-stop bus routes using general-purpose lanes (the 320 and 501) will face reliability issues and significant travel time increases.


Prone to accidents • Safety issues

Light Rail systems kill more people than any other transportation mode except for motorcycles.



Pictured: Average fatality rates per 100 million miles, 2000–20111
  • At-grade Light Rail systems need time to stop and frequently hit pedestrians and vehicles.
  • On-street trains come with a human cost that is ignored by LRT advocates and urban designers.
  • Light Rail creates an average of 3 traffic accidents per crossing per year2
  • Vehicle-train collisions can severely damage trains, costing millions for repairs/write-offs.
  • There are already hundreds of accidents each year on our LRT corridors.


  1. US Department of Transportation study – [SEE HERE]
  2. Transportation Research Board study – [SEE HERE]


Prone to service disruptions • Reliability issues

Accident block 2Accidents can block LRT tracks and close LRT lines for hours.

  • Direct consequence of building LRT at-grade through major intersections.
  • LRT will pass through 2 intersections among the top 10 in Metro Vancouver crash-rates.
    (these intersections are: King George Blvd & 88th Ave, and King George Blvd & 72nd Ave)
  • Can’t detour around accident areas like regular buses or Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems.
We estimate: an accident-related LRT service disruption could occur on average of once every 2 days!

Accidents chart

Takes up more space • Property acquisition

The space required by an at-grade LRT will require hundreds of property takes.

An estimated 214 property takes will be required on Fraser Highway alone (including at least 20 full takes)
  • LRT’s at-grade footprint is more than twice as much as a SkyTrain guideway
  • Widened roadways will be more difficult to cross from end to end

The Evergreen Line's guideway passes freely over a White Spot in Burnaby.

SkyTrain’s flexibility can allow for less disruption of existing properties.
This example is on the Evergreen Line.

Wreaks havoc on Green Timbers Urban Forest trees

Building Light Rail through Green Timbers Urban Forest means hundreds of trees will have to give way.

The City is planning a widened, 40m Fraser Highway to accommodate 4 traffic lanes, greenway, and 2 more lanes for LRT. This is…
  • Significantly wider than the Green Timbers Urban Advisory Committee’s 2008 endorsement for a 27m roadway
  • Significantly wider than a SkyTrain extension (which would fit with 4 lanes within 27m – see below)
Currently proposed LRT right-of-way (R.O.W.) through Green Timbers:

Fraser Hwy with Surrey LRT

The original Surrey Rapid Transit Study assumed a ~27m R.O.W. for SkyTrain on Fraser:

Fraser Hwy with Surrey Skytrain 1

With more adjustments (i.e. move the multi-use path under the guideway), the R.O.W. can be reduced to 24m:

Fraser Hwy with Surrey Skytrain 2

SkyTrain uses space above the roadway, meaning less trees would need to be cut down.

More transfers • fewer options

Riders will need to make more transfers with a Light Rail system.

  • Riders coming from the Expo Line SkyTrain will need to transfer to continue to Langley
  • LRT riders on the “L Line” will need to make additional transfers to buses to continue to White Rock or Coquitlam
  • End of direct, express service on 104 Ave on routes 337, 509, 590 (requiring a transfer to a slower, all-stop LRT)
  • Additional transfer requirements have not been communicated effectively with stakeholders.

319 transfer 1 319 transfer 2

Building an LRT means you will still line up to transfer to the #319 at Newton Exchange.
A BRT system would create the opportunity to remove that transfer with a direct routing onto 72nd Avenue.

Negative business case • Few quantifiable benefits

Decades to recoupIt will take decades to truly offset the costs of an LRT.

With lower transportation benefits and less ridership, an LRT won’t be able to create an offset to its cost.
  • Surrey Rapid Transit Study anticipated a negative benefit-cost ratio of just 0.69:1
  • Net present value was estimated at negative (-) $510 million dollars.
  • Benefits will not exceed costs within 30 years of operation.
  • Cost per added transit passenger is twice as much as SkyTrain extension.
  • Poor business case harms potential for senior-level government funding.

* Detailed business case estimates were provided on page 369 of the Surrey Rapid Transit Study – accessible [HERE].

Doesn’t address growth in automobile use

Surrey has the highest automobile use growth rate in the lower mainland.

With half of residents not within a 15 minute bus of rapid transit corridors, travel time savings are extremely important. Even with anticipated transportation demand management (TDM), Light Rail is expected to do little to increase transit mode-share.
  • Only 5-8% of South-of-Fraser residents will use the LRT regularly
  • Most residents will continue to drive as LRT is not a competitive alternative
  • Fails 50% regional goal for sustainable mode-share (transit/walking/cycling)

LRT mode share fail       LRT population chart
Data from the Surrey Rapid Transit Study – accessible [HERE].

Doesn’t service White Rock Centre and South Surrey

South Surrey missingRapid transit from Newton to White Rock is no longer a city priority.

  • Rapid Transit on King George Blvd. south of Newton is not on the City’s list of priority infrastructure projects.
  • Previously shown Bus Rapid Transit link is no longer on the City’s latest LRT network map
  • Unclear whether it will ever move forward, given high operating costs of LRT
  • Only Light Rail portion of full rapid transit plan is promoted by City on website